Mexican Drug War

[CHRIS]

and europe thinks they have it bad with drugs....

At least 23 inmates have been killed after a fight at a jail in Durango, northern Mexico, say officials.
Police believe the inmates were members of rival drugs gangs, said the Reuters news agency.
But prison spokeswoman Carla Puente was quoted by the Associated Press as saying she did not know the cause of the fighting.
Thousands of people have been killed in drug-related violence in Mexico over the past few years.
"There are 23 dead, all inmates," Durango army head General Moises Melo Garcia told Reuters.
Ms Puente said some people had also been injured in the brawl, which she said was ended by prison guards.
The prison was reported to house more than 2,000 inmates.

War declared
The state of Durango has been the scene of clashes between the rival Gulf and Sinaloa drug cartels in recent months.
The drugs trade in the region is controlled by the Sinaloa cartel, reportedly led by Mexico's most-wanted man, Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman.
At least 19 inmates died in another prison brawl in the city of Durango in August 2009, which officials said had been sparked by gang rivalries.
President Felipe Calderon has declared war on the illegal narcotic organisations in Mexico, deploying 40,000 troops to fight the cartels.

[Arctic]

Thats pretty mental! The uk has got it bad with drugs, nearly everyone smokes weed, but thats nuts!

[sLaV]

i just wikipedia'd this Joaquin "El Chapo" Guzman
...
In 2008, JoaquÃ_n Guzmán was listed at 701 on Forbes' list of richest people in the world with an estimated net worth of $1 billion.

In November 2009, JoaquÃ_n Guzmán was ranked as the 41st of 67 most powerful people in the world by Forbes.

... wow I guess drug smuggling really does pay off :blink1:


WHOA what the...

In 1993 a 7.3 ton shipment of his cocaine, concealed in cans of chile peppers and destined for the United States, was seized in Tecate, Baja California.

... 7.3 tons ????? :wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf:

[electronomist]

Originally Posted by sLaV

... 7.3 tons ????? :wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf::wtf:

Mmmmmmmm lol. :yup:


Na it's bad how bloody and violent the drugs trade is, terrible in fact. But if laws on drugs were more realistic (i.e. some legalised) then there would be less bloodyness (except maybe from noses? lol).

Seriously though, governments spend shit loads on trying to eradicate these drug barons, but after all their hard work what do we have now? Some of the cheapest, highest quality drugs freely available to anyone. And a hell of a lot of people consuming them every weekend (or day) still.

They obviously need to try new tactics lol.

[LCBrown]

Originally Posted by Arctic Moon

nearly everyone smokes weed

I see no issue with this.

[CHRIS]

Originally Posted by LCBrown

I see no issue with this.

word [thumbsup]

[oneleggedpunk]

[Arctic]

Originally Posted by LCBrown

I see no issue with this.

I do, its disgusting and in the uk, nearly all youngsters to early 20s smoke it. I think its filthy and a waste of time and money. Most of them are kids too! Shame on their parents....

[CHRIS]

smoking weed in the UK and ireland is far different to the states. seems to be a lot more criminal in europe.

in the states it seems to be more socially acceptable. probably a lot to do with the media

[electronomist]

Hm yet over here in Britain it is seen as criminal activity and bad (Weed), yet alcohol is perfectly legal and far more dangerous. Our government are scratching their heads wondering why everyone is 'binge drinking'... well it's legal so they are not putting out a message that it is dangerous lol.

Legalise weed and put loads of tax on it (like tobacco) and they would free up money and resources for the police, courts, etc to deal with real criminals (ones who do harm to others) and make more money in tax!

[Arctic]

Originally Posted by electronomist

Hm yet over here in Britain it is seen as criminal activity and bad (Weed), yet alcohol is perfectly legal and far more dangerous. Our government are scratching their heads wondering why everyone is 'binge drinking'... well it's legal so they are not putting out a message that it is dangerous lol.

Legalise weed and put loads of tax on it (like tobacco) and they would free up money and resources for the police, courts, etc to deal with real criminals (ones who do harm to others) and make more money in tax!

Yeah they should do that, and put the tax up high as possible, instead of taxing peoples earnings when they work!

[electronomist]

Originally Posted by Arctic Moon

Yeah they should do that, and put the tax up high as possible, instead of taxing peoples earnings when they work!

Too right they should. Plus allow people to grow it for personal use, after all it is only a plant, not like they'd have a crack lab or anything. :D

[electronomist]

Also check this...



Source: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/6474053.stm#drugs

Some other interesting reads (if you're into that kinda thing lol)...

http://www.crimeandjustice.org.uk/op...drug_harms.pdf


AN ANALYSIS OF UK DRUG POLICY (APRIL 2007)
Summary of report findings:
Britain has an unusually severe drug problem compared with its European neighbours - it has the highest prevalence rates of problem drug use (although use appears to have broadly stabilised), rates which are double those found across Europe.
However the international evidence suggests that drug policy appears to have very limited impact on the overall level of drug use. The authors argue that this is more influenced by wider social, economic and cultural factors.
The government has successfully increased the number of dependent drug users entering treatment. Research suggests that this will have led to substantial reductions in drug use, crime and health problems at the individual level.
Where drug policy makes its most valuable contribution is in reducing the damage and harms to individuals and communities which result from problem drug use. Here UK policy has scored some significant successes, including a level of HIV among injecting drug users lower than in most of Europe. However, there is now emerging evidence which indicates that this area of policy could benefit from re-examination and reinvigoration.
General drug education and prevention efforts in schools and through campaigns appear to make little difference to risk behaviour among the young.
We know very little about the effectiveness and impact of most enforcement efforts either in reducing supply or demand.
There is little transparency in the allocation of resources although it is clear that the lion's share goes to enforcement.
The UK invests very little in independent evaluation of the impact of drug policies (especially enforcement). Unsurprisingly, therefore, the evidence base in the UK is remarkably underdeveloped.
Source: http://www.ukdpc.org.uk/publications...is_Drug_Policy

[CHRIS]

Different countries have completely different attitudes.

in the UK and Ireland most people binge on drink and drugs. in Europe most people drink and take drugs to actually enjoy themselves.

comparing events in the UK and Ireland to events on mainland europe. any festivel over here would be full of people off there face. whereas Trance Energy had a handful of people and guess where they were from.... here of course

[electronomist]

Don't fancy the sound of Trance Energy then lol. Seriously though, if the atmosphere and musics good enough then it acts like a drug on even the most sober of people so fair play if you don't go overboard on drink, drugs etc and still have an awesome night!
Some of the better nights i've had out i've took it easy (although saying that it still may sound like a lot to some people lol).

[CHRIS]

Originally Posted by electronomist

Don't fancy the sound of Trance Energy then lol. Seriously though, if the atmosphere and musics good enough then it acts like a drug on even the most sober of people so fair play if you don't go overboard on drink, drugs etc and still have an awesome night!
Some of the better nights i've had out i've took it easy (although saying that it still may sound like a lot to some people lol).

when i say a handful i mean a handful of people that were proper mashed. im sure plenty were taking Class As but not mashed in a corner not knowing whats going on.

[clearmoon]

here in my country we have an endless war, many drug traffickers and many deaths from drugs and the battles between them, and thats too bad, the government does its best to beat them but each day grow another more...

[CHRIS]

all down to money. imagine the amount of money the trade is worth

crazy thing is most of it ends up back in banks. therefore benefiting the government. legalizing it and taxing it might not be as much of a money spinner as you would think

[Arctic]

Originally Posted by electronomist

Also check this...

Alcohol is far worse for you than LSD and Ecstasy! Holy shitballs

[oneleggedpunk]

Originally Posted by Arctic Moon

Alcohol is far worse for you than LSD and Ecstasy! Holy shitballs

Alcohol is far worse than LSD or Ecstasy. I've never had any trouble with anyone on either one of 'em, i've had some strange conversations though.