To all those who illegally share/pirate

**Tranceconomist** · 22nd April 2012

To all you who think that sites like MegaUpload are helping the artists and that by illegally sharing their music you are doing a good service, read this, written today by a high-quality label on their Facebook wall:

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Note to whoever put our new album up as a "free" download on-line: I hope you did it because you hate us and our music, because if you actually like our music and did this, you are worse than stupid. The label is barely hanging on economically, and the amount of time that went into this album as insane; if we can't get a little to help pay the rent from selling the music, obviously day-job work will mean that another album like this won't get made. So by ripping this you are helping to make sure that no more music of this type will be made. You are of course helping to make the Kim Dotcom's of the world richer by charging people for secure/speedy access to all this pirated content. Well done, very ethical behavior.

See this? You are ruining small labels who don't have the funds that the huge players have. Did you know that labels are businesses and that albums cost money to make?

A question: how many of you believe that you are helping out all artists by pirating their music?

**electronomist** · 23rd April 2012

I buy all my music for DJing, so my conscience is clear. I used to download lots of albums illegally but I stopped and bought them eventually.

Which record label was that quote from out of interest?

**LCBrown** · 23rd April 2012

Here's the deal- if the music is good, it will sell regardless of pirating. There's also other ways of getting music out there that revolve around peer downloading. Like the thing The Pirate Bay is doing now. Over 5000 artists have signed up to promote through them. The real money is in playing out, anyway.

As for DJ music specifically, then I suppose it depends on how you listen to it. Do you want to pay for a song that you'll listen to a few times and then let vanish into oblivion, as is the case with 99% of EDM. Only the really superb songs continue. I mean, how many songs from ASOT keep being played after a month?

Of course, being in the US, I do not endorse pirating any media. I just think the entire business model for the music industry needs to be redone for the internet generation. As a DJ myself, I understand that anything I make is going to get posted online somewhere for free, so I set it up so that the best place to get my music is my FB page. There's no reason to go searching around everywhere. When they come to my page, they find out about the other sets I do (hard trance, vocal, my show, chill) and like me more. Now, I'm a small time DJ, but if I were to produce a song that got some acclaim, I would put it up the same way. I would rather get my name known more, so I can play out more. The little bit of money that comes from selling a song (and that money goes away as the song is forgotten) is nothing compared to being able to get places in clubs or wherever.

**Tranceconomist** · 24th April 2012

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Originally Posted by LCBrown

Here's the deal- if the music is good, it will sell regardless of pirating. There's also other ways of getting music out there that revolve around peer downloading. Like the thing The Pirate Bay is doing now. Over 5000 artists have signed up to promote through them. The real money is in playing out, anyway.

As for DJ music specifically, then I suppose it depends on how you listen to it. Do you want to pay for a song that you'll listen to a few times and then let vanish into oblivion, as is the case with 99% of EDM. Only the really superb songs continue. I mean, how many songs from ASOT keep being played after a month?

Of course, being in the US, I do not endorse pirating any media. I just think the entire business model for the music industry needs to be redone for the internet generation. As a DJ myself, I understand that anything I make is going to get posted online somewhere for free, so I set it up so that the best place to get my music is my FB page. There's no reason to go searching around everywhere. When they come to my page, they find out about the other sets I do (hard trance, vocal, my show, chill) and like me more. Now, I'm a small time DJ, but if I were to produce a song that got some acclaim, I would put it up the same way. I would rather get my name known more, so I can play out more. The little bit of money that comes from selling a song (and that money goes away as the song is forgotten) is nothing compared to being able to get places in clubs or wherever.

RE: if the music is good it sells, I respectfully have to disagree. People feel entitled to music now, and they don't care if music or movies are good, they want them free. The logic and reasoning they use as to why it's OK is ridiculous.

While I agree that companies and artists can turn things around and form new strategies, some will probably not be able to. As the quote said, if there is not enough money from it, then real jobs will mean there is possibly not another. One gripe I have with Dakini Records (the label in question) is that their preview system sucks. It's easy if the tracks have been uploaded to YouTube, but I had to download MP4 preview sound clips to sample the music.

Additionally, some genres are far less mainstream than Trance and don't have the funds that ASOT has. For example, there is little money in Goa Trance, period. One of my favorite active labels only has the resources to release around 4-5 releases per year. While that's not a bad thing (quality>quantity), it shows that they cannot afford to go beyond that.

TL;DR People will download music regardless of quality. While I know that illegal sharing is good for some artists, for some labels/artists it actually isn't. Music industry could be revamped, but there is possibly a problem for smaller scenes that don't have the scale others do.

Disclaimer: I am not a DJ/producer and I used to illegally download music myself (now deleted).

@electronomist, the label is Dakini Records, which is based in Japan. They were the label that Ishq - Orchid was first released on. Another high-quality label, which is based in Canada, re-released it (only 1 x CD version). I have the re-release..

Canada has a quality psychill/ambient/downtempo scene with regard to record labels.

**Fantasy5001** · 24th April 2012

Haha, that's an intersesting topic.

To be honest I feel bad when I rip my music illegaly. But I've started buying the CDs afterwards last year. So firstly I download it illegally on the internet and then, maybe a few months after, I buy the CD on amazon, discogs, whatever site.

That's how I do it.

**Tranceconomist** · 24th April 2012

I don't condone it in any way or form, or for any reason, but it's good to know that you purchase music later.

I felt liberated once I deleted all my illegally downloaded media.

**Fantasy5001** · 17th May 2012

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Originally Posted by Tranceconomist

I don't condone it in any way or form, or for any reason, but it's good to know that you purchase music later.

I felt liberated once I deleted all my illegally downloaded media.

I do it cause mostly I can't wait to hear the music and not always I'm ready to spend so much money for a few albums beause I hear some tracks before that I like, at once. That's a problem because I rarely like tracks from the same artist. I have like 500 different tracks from 480 different artists. And that means I have to buy 480 different albums... which can get really expensive. So I buy 4 or 5 albums this month, the next month again 3, 4, 5, 6 and so on.

- So I can't wait to hear the music.

Another problem is that some of the music can't found either. Like the compilation "Global Asylum" mixed by "Greg Thomas". If you find out something about the album, TELL ME! :-O I only have a download link from a youtube mate that has this album... but there's nothing like a discogs site for the album. Nothing. You can't buy it. I would buy it... but I can't.... So what should I do? I've looked for the album so long in the whole internet. No informations given. ^.^

You don't have to tell me that that's nonetheless not OK. But for me, if there is no other way to get to the tracks, I use the way of illegal downloads...

That's my justification...

**Tranceconomist** · 17th May 2012

RE: Global Asylum. No idea, sorry. It's possible that it was just a DJ mix that was uploaded. I'm not saying this is the case, but it's a possibility.

**Arctic** · 19th May 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tranceconomist

To all you who think that sites like MegaUpload are helping the artists and that by illegally sharing their music you are doing a good service, read this, written today by a high-quality label on their Facebook wall:

See this, scumbags? You are ruining small labels who don't have the funds that the huge players have. Did you know that labels are businesses and that albums cost money to make?

A question: how many of you are actually so dumb as to believe that you are helping artists out by pirating their music?

Kind of a pointless place to write this post really dont you think? We are one of the biggest illegal download sites on the net

**Tranceconomist** · 20th May 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arctic

Kind of a pointless place to write this post really dont you think? We are one of the biggest illegal download sites on the net

That's why it's exactly the place to write it.

**Weareonenation303** · 20th May 2012

That's really funny! I'm a pirate from top to bottom as well, I was pretty stupid to believe that pirating my cds woul help the artist(s), producer(s) gain some fans. For me, it's partly and possibly more of a disadvantage, since like you say, the labels are loosing money. Arctic has a very good point: Why shout this here when everyone of us is a pirate. You can't deny that you are perfectly clean since You DID download illegaly in the past just like the majority of us. Does Poseidon - Serenade ring a bell? Oh yeah you ask The Ghost last year about this release. Why even bother talking about this at all? it's been discussed many, many times and all people have their points. I understand that some of your favorite Goa labels are dying due to the piracy plague. But we really don't have a 100% way of eradicating this "Plague" never will unless S.O.P.A decides to keep up with the "Censoring Bullshit" and decides to close the entire web. if that happens "Online piracy" will cease to exist. and many of the labels will be happy... but then comes some more serious disadvantages.

**Tranceconomist** · 20th May 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weareonenation303

That's really funny! I'm a pirate from top to bottom as well, I was pretty stupid to believe that pirating my cds woul help the artist(s), producer(s) gain some fans. For me, it's partly and possibly more of a disadvantage, since like you say, the labels are loosing money. Arctic has a very good point: Why shout this here when everyone of us is a pirate. You can't deny that you are perfectly clean since You DID download illegaly in the past just like the majority of us. Does Poseidon - Serenade ring a bell? Oh yeah you ask The Ghost last year about this release. Why even bother talking about this at all? it's been discussed many, many times and all people have their points. I understand that some of your favorite Goa labels are dying due to the piracy plague. But we really don't have a 100% way of eradicating this "Plague" never will unless S.O.P.A decides to keep up with the "Censoring Bullshit" and decides to close the entire web. if that happens "Online piracy" will cease to exist. and many of the labels will be happy... but then comes some more serious disadvantages.

I'm well aware of the thousands of illegal files I had on my laptop which were then deleted.

It's a slippery slope if you talk about "because you did it, you can't speak against it else you're a hypocrite". If you say that, then ex-gangsters can't try help current gangsters/prospects, Christians can't witness to others, adults can't discipline their children, police potentially can't arrest troublemakers if they did it in the past.

Friendly correction, you need to reword your "perfectly clean" part *see bottom of post* since you said that I am perfectly clean. I never claimed to be perfectly clean, but that does not remove my right to be against it. It's a pathetic argument point to use against me.

The only reason I have any credibility with this is because I deleted the files. It's not like I downloaded and now speak against it while conveniently keeping my ill-gotten gains.

Piracy is hard on some of my favorite active labels, but that is not the only point of all this. I'm against theft -- be it intellectual property (IP) or physical property.

I don't support SOPA or anything that threatens the freedom of the internet. I am also against governments owning the internet. Some laws are good (e.g. those against child pornography) whereas others would not be good.

However, I am for copyright holders to be able to protect their IP. If somebody is caught illegally downloading I couldn't care if that person's ISP is required to terminate his internet. If that person complains then he needs to take responsibility for his actions.

Re: Arctic's comment and you agreeing with it:

Why would I post this on a forum where people don't illegally download?

*correction help* "You can't deny that you are perfectly clean"

should be reworded as,

"You can't deny that you aren't perfectly clean"

which could also be said like,

"You can't claim that you are perfectly clean"

**Weareonenation303** · 20th May 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tranceconomist

I'm well aware of the thousands of illegal files I had on my laptop which were then deleted.

It's a slippery slope if you talk about "because you did it, you can't speak against it else you're a hypocrite". If you say that, then ex-gangsters can't try help current gangsters/prospects, Christians can't witness to others, adults can't discipline their children, police potentially can't arrest troublemakers if they did it in the past.

Friendly correction, you need to reword your "perfectly clean" part *see bottom of post* since you said that I am perfectly clean. I never claimed to be perfectly clean, but that does not remove my right to be against it. It's a pathetic argument point to use against me.

The only reason I have any credibility with this is because I deleted the files. It's not like I downloaded and now speak against it while conveniently keeping my ill-gotten gains.

Piracy is hard on some of my favorite active labels, but that is not the only point of all this. I'm against theft -- be it intellectual property (IP) or physical property.

I don't support SOPA or anything that threatens the freedom of the internet. I am also against governments owning the internet. Some laws are good (e.g. those against child pornography) whereas others would not be good.

However, I am for copyright holders to be able to protect their IP. If somebody is caught illegally downloading I couldn't care if that person's ISP is required to terminate his internet. If that person complains then he needs to take responsibility for his actions.

Re: Arctic's comment and you agreeing with it:

Why would I post this on a forum where people don't illegally download?

*correction help* "You can't deny that you are perfectly clean"

should be reworded as,

"You can't deny that you aren't perfectly clean"

which could also be said like,

"You can't claim that you are perfectly clean"

Yeah man, sorry for that phrase, I didn't say you were clean in the first place. Oh forget that bit. My english ain't perfect you know, unlike yours. Your native to that language. I can make my mistakes. I'm closed for this arguement. From my point of view, you're that person who used to do something bad and now, you found the truth now you want to tell everyone "Your View" against piracy as a former "pirate". Thats' the simplest way I can see it. And no I'm not trying to be a "Wise-guy" who thinks he knows all his legs. You would have to clarify the main point of this topic, everyone will tell something different.

**Tranceconomist** · 20th May 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weareonenation303

Yeah man, sorry for that phrase, I didn't say you were clean in the first place. Oh forget that bit. My english ain't perfect you know, unlike yours. Your native to that language. I can make my mistakes. I'm closed for this arguement. From my point of view, you're that person who used to do something bad and now, you found the truth now you want to tell everyone "Your View" against piracy as a former "pirate". Thats' the simplest way I can see it. And no I'm not trying to be a "Wise-guy" who thinks he knows all his legs. You would have to clarify the main point of this topic, everyone will tell something different.

There's a reason I said friendly correction, so you wouldn't think I was criticizing you. I was only helping you gain a firmer grasp on the English language.

So, because I messed around in school (which has cost me years), you're saying I shouldn't tell people not to mess around in school? Just because I did it doesn't mean I can't tell people that it's wrong.

To those who understand the OP, no explanation is necessary; to those who don't, no explanation is possible.

If it goes over people's heads that a message to pirates/etc. is best posted on such a forum, then...

**Arctic** · 20th May 2012

Well posting something trying to discourage people from doing what this whole site is based on, is kinda stupid dont you think.

This site wouldnt be what it is today if it werent for the free downloads, so.

I dont think many people here could give a shite about whether its illegal to download or not, they are here to grab it all for free and always will.

If we stopped the downloads here, the place would dissappear within weeks, to just the few who frequent the discussion boards :)

I refuse to pay for downloaded music, unless there is no other alternative. They are way overpriced. I used to buy CD singles for �1.99-�2.99 with 3-6 tracks each, now they want �1.50 per track in lossy format.

**Arctic** · 20th May 2012

Well posting something trying to discourage people from doing what this whole site is based on, is kinda stupid dont you think.

This site wouldnt be what it is today if it werent for the free downloads, so.

I dont think many people here could give a shite about whether its illegal to download or not, they are here to grab it all for free and always will.

If we stopped the downloads here, the place would dissappear within weeks, to just the few who frequent the discussion boards :)

I refuse to pay for downloaded music, unless there is no other alternative. They are way overpriced. I used to buy CD singles for £1.99-£2.99 with 3-6 tracks each, now they want £1.50 per track in lossy format.

**Tranceconomist** · 21st May 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arctic

Well posting something trying to discourage people from doing what this whole site is based on, is kinda stupid dont you think.

This site wouldnt be what it is today if it werent for the free downloads, so.

I dont think many people here could give a shite about whether its illegal to download or not, they are here to grab it all for free and always will.

If we stopped the downloads here, the place would dissappear within weeks, to just the few who frequent the discussion boards :)

I refuse to pay for downloaded music, unless there is no other alternative. They are way overpriced. I used to buy CD singles for £1.99-£2.99 with 3-6 tracks each, now they want £1.50 per track in lossy format.

Sure, perhaps it is futile, but if the very least I accomplish is bursting a gaping hole in one of, if not, the most common justifications for illegal downloading, then that's good enough.

I couldn't care less if all the file-sharing sites fell. It'd be a good thing. The community here is already dead, anyway. Look at past activity and then look at today's.

**Akira Project** · 23rd May 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tranceconomist

I couldn't care less if all the file-sharing sites fell. It'd be a good thing. The community here is already dead, anyway. Look at past activity and then look at today's.

Dude man stop...
No one can force anyone to think and believe anything.
I understand the companys but to tell you the truth, it's gone way too far.
Was reading about some random guy who had downloaded about 30 tunes, and now he get to pay 670 000 dollars.
I mean WTF! It's ____ing music!
It's not guns. It's not prostitutes. It's not drugs.
This debate has been active since the 80s when kids were copying each others cassettes.
In some parts of the world, taking drugs is legal. In other parts of the world beating up their kids and wifes is perfectly ok, maybe even reccomended.
And here the worst thing a person can do is to download music? I think one should put things in contrast to other things in life.
Whats worse?
Download Green Day songs from the 90s? Or go speeding on the highway while drinking alcohol. Thats a retorical question.

(Mind the spelling, I'm tired :P)

**Tranceconomist** · 23rd May 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Akira Project

Dude man stop...
No one can force anyone to think and believe anything.
I understand the companys but to tell you the truth, it's gone way too far.
Was reading about some random guy who had downloaded about 30 tunes, and now he get to pay 670 000 dollars.
I mean WTF! It's ____ing music!
It's not guns. It's not prostitutes. It's not drugs.
This debate has been active since the 80s when kids were copying each others cassettes.
In some parts of the world, taking drugs is legal. In other parts of the world beating up their kids and wifes is perfectly ok, maybe even reccomended.
And here the worst thing a person can do is to download music? I think one should put things in contrast to other things in life.
Whats worse?
Download Green Day songs from the 90s? Or go speeding on the highway while drinking alcohol. Thats a retorical question.

(Mind the spelling, I'm tired :P)

I would be happy for this thread to end re: OP.

It's a rhetorical question because only an idiot would say the former. :P

Lol I don't mind foreign speakers messing up while speaking/writing English. It's not your primary language. But when it comes to native speakers, that's another thing. I make mistakes and don't understand somethings myself, but I put effort in. Some things are rage-inducing.

As an aside note, Akira, how many languages do you know?

I want to learn 1 or 2 languages while in university (not as uni study unless one as a minor), but I don't know what to learn. Brazilian Portuguese, Spanish (South American dialect if different), something widely used in Africa (French??), Russian, Mandarin, German, French, or something along those lines. I have yet to make up my mind, as you can see, but I want to choose wisely.

Africa's going to be a playground, but I don't know if I actually want to learn a purely African language or not (it'd be the prominent one used in business if so).

**LCBrown** · 23rd May 2012

The Avengers has become the most pirated movie ever. It's also the biggest box office hit ever.

Photoshop is the most pirated image software. Pirating directly led to it becoming the industry standard.

Pirating is not illegal everywhere.

If you didn't download music, you could easily find somewhere to stream it. Youtube is great for that. You can even make playlists! There's not much money in the non-mainstream stuff, anyway. It's hard to expect producing goa to become your only job, because it's such a niche market.

Also, remember that pirating does not equal a lost sale. By far, most people would simply not buy it and just not have it, whatever it is. I think piracy has had an overall positive impact on the markets. It's forcing companies to reevaluate their business plans. It allows artists to sell shit on their own, without using those companies (like TPB is doing). Regardless, it's around to stay. Adapt or vanish into oblivion.

**IRL303** · 23rd May 2012

TC, whats your stance on people who upload music to youtube? Technically its a form of sharing music...and its illegal in of itself as well as the rules of your YT contract.

**Surreybear** · 23rd May 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tranceconomist

I would be happy for this thread to end re: OP.

It's a rhetorical question because only an idiot would say the former. :P

Lol I don't mind foreign speakers messing up while speaking/writing English. It's not your primary language. But when it comes to native speakers, that's another thing. I make mistakes and don't understand somethings myself, but I put effort in. Some things are rage-inducing.

As an aside note, Akira, how many languages do you know?

I want to learn 1 or 2 languages while in university (not as uni study unless one as a minor), but I don't know what to learn. Brazilian Portuguese, Spanish (South American dialect if different), something widely used in Africa (French??), Russian, Mandarin, German, French, or something along those lines. I have yet to make up my mind, as you can see, but I want to choose wisely.

Africa's going to be a playground, but I don't know if I actually want to learn a purely African language or not (it'd be the prominent one used in business if so).

If you add this patronising crap to your tantrum in the OP where you called people scumbags and idiots then it makes you come across as a total wanker therefore your opinion on anything becomes null and void as far as i'm concerned. Idiot

**Arctic** · 23rd May 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by IRL303

TC, whats your stance on people who upload music to youtube? Technically its a form of sharing music...and its illegal in of itself as well as the rules of your YT contract.

Fine by me, its allowed me to discover many hidden gems which ive missed, and enabled me to get decent quality vinyl rips of non digital releases

**Weareonenation303** · 23rd May 2012

Had to say something in response to IRL303: Yep, he's adding up more. Don't know whats all that sharing on Youtube and most people have some bullshit about "No rip sharing go and buy the release" yadda, yadda. Even if you put lame excuses that the copyrighted music is "Only for promotional use only" you are still violating Youtube's policy the second you even start uploading to YT that is of course if you have permission from the authors to do so which very rarely happens. I used to nag about Youtube's crap audio but since I don't care about rips anymore and what to get the cd (Unless it's only on dam vinyl.) In it's own right Youtube is pretty useful for discovering tunes even when it's illegal. Wish some streaming sites like Last FM, Pandora, Deezer etc had that "massive" library of music that YT has. this would make Youtube pretty pointless to upload illegal music.

Well, of course you do have legal music from sponsored uploaders too mad the vast majority is commercial crap I can not stand

**Akira Project** · 24th May 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by LCBrown

The Avengers has become the most pirated movie ever. It's also the biggest box office hit ever.

Photoshop is the most pirated image software. Pirating directly led to it becoming the industry standard.

Pirating is not illegal everywhere.

If you didn't download music, you could easily find somewhere to stream it. Youtube is great for that. You can even make playlists! There's not much money in the non-mainstream stuff, anyway. It's hard to expect producing goa to become your only job, because it's such a niche market.

Also, remember that pirating does not equal a lost sale. By far, most people would simply not buy it and just not have it, whatever it is. I think piracy has had an overall positive impact on the markets. It's forcing companies to reevaluate their business plans. It allows artists to sell shit on their own, without using those companies (like TPB is doing). Regardless, it's around to stay. Adapt or vanish into oblivion.

Well said!

Also, the biggest labels in the world are hypocrits. Like Sony BMG. They loose money due to downloads of mp3. At the same time another part of Sony is making money on mp3 players.
And what about dvd players with Divx support?

**Tranceconomist** · 24th May 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Surreybear

If you add this patronising crap to your tantrum in the OP where you called people scumbags and idiots then it makes you come across as a total wanker therefore your opinion on anything becomes null and void as far as i'm concerned. Idiot

Read the "idiot" part in context, pal. Nobody would argue for the latter. As for actually calling me an idiot after that post, thereby suggesting that YOU come across as a total wanker, nice going.

@IRL303, That is the one flaw in my argument. It's related to LCBrown who points out streaming.

I've thought about it myself, and pretty much I take more issue with the actual ownership than with streaming. Truthfully, I use YouTube to preview a lot of stuff I buy (and also don't). I believe YouTube is beneficial promotion-wise, but that's what it remains. It doesn't give the listener ownership, unlike with a download. It's a difficult thing to assess. I see labels/artists promoting the very videos uploaded onto YouTube. The major labels seem to hate it (though they probably have scale to monetize them on their channels). It's the same with mixes. Most, at least smaller artists, seem to either like it or be okay with it. Others aren't. Basically, that's my view, IRL.

@ LCBrown, I'm not arguing that illegal downloading isn't beneficial to all, as I know that there are artists who openly say it is beneficial for them. However, in the case of Dakini, obviously it is potentially going to end the label or whatever. Fact is, professional music costs money and no matter what business plan you can come up with, it has to actually earn. I would say that Dakini is also a fairly lean label*, as one can see by the number of releases over the years. *At least as appears on Discogs. I haven't actually checked to see how many, if any, releases haven't been added from Dakini's site.

P.S. People pay for cinema experience, not so much the actual purchase of the movie. Not entirely on par with music. I'm not very knowledgeable about proprietary software, but it will be licensed by businesses, thus giving it a stream of purchases.

In OP I am ambiguous in my question. There should be an "all" before "artists" to be correct.

**Tranceconomist** · 24th May 2012

Quote:

Originally Posted by Weareonenation303

Well, of course you do have legal music from sponsored uploaders too mad the vast majority is commercial crap I can not stand

Lol, and most of it IS horrible.

When my taste in music was developing, I used to listen to some stuff on Armada & Co.'s channels.

I remember this one song. This one. horrible. song. It signaled the actual fall of Armada & Co. in my books.

**Tranceconomist** · 25th May 2012

I apologize for my usage of scumbags in my OP. I have revised the OP to remove it and have also made the question nicer by removing the "dumb" part.

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23rd April 2012	#3
LCBrown Super Moderator Posts: 1,879 Thanked 563 Times	Here's the deal- if the music is good, it will sell regardless of pirating. There's also other ways of getting music out there that revolve around peer downloading. Like the thing The Pirate Bay is doing now. Over 5000 artists have signed up to promote through them. The real money is in playing out, anyway. As for DJ music specifically, then I suppose it depends on how you listen to it. Do you want to pay for a song that you'll listen to a few times and then let vanish into oblivion, as is the case with 99% of EDM. Only the really superb songs continue. I mean, how many songs from ASOT keep being played after a month? Of course, being in the US, I do not endorse pirating any media. I just think the entire business model for the music industry needs to be redone for the internet generation. As a DJ myself, I understand that anything I make is going to get posted online somewhere for free, so I set it up so that the best place to get my music is my FB page. There's no reason to go searching around everywhere. When they come to my page, they find out about the other sets I do (hard trance, vocal, my show, chill) and like me more. Now, I'm a small time DJ, but if I were to produce a song that got some acclaim, I would put it up the same way. I would rather get my name known more, so I can play out more. The little bit of money that comes from selling a song (and that money goes away as the song is forgotten) is nothing compared to being able to get places in clubs or wherever. LCBrown's Signature Like me on FB! (If this thing will redirect properly.) http://www.facebook.com/pages/LC-Brown/209736662380599

24th April 2012	#5
Fantasy5001 Reveal all Links Posts: 58 Thanked 0 Times	Haha, that's an intersesting topic. To be honest I feel bad when I rip my music illegaly. But I've started buying the CDs afterwards last year. So firstly I download it illegally on the internet and then, maybe a few months after, I buy the CD on amazon, discogs, whatever site. That's how I do it. Fantasy5001's Signature

20th May 2012	#15
Arctic Donator Posts: 3,195 Thanked 4,499 Times	Well posting something trying to discourage people from doing what this whole site is based on, is kinda stupid dont you think. This site wouldnt be what it is today if it werent for the free downloads, so. I dont think many people here could give a shite about whether its illegal to download or not, they are here to grab it all for free and always will. If we stopped the downloads here, the place would dissappear within weeks, to just the few who frequent the discussion boards :) I refuse to pay for downloaded music, unless there is no other alternative. They are way overpriced. I used to buy CD singles for �1.99-�2.99 with 3-6 tracks each, now they want �1.50 per track in lossy format. Arctic's Signature See My CD Single & Vinyl Collection @ My Discogs: http://www.discogs.com/user/gamesgaryjp Check My YouTube Channel Here: http://www.youtube.com/user/ZombiEEEEEz?feature=mhum Uplifting Trance > Electro Trance Andy Blueman Full Discography In 320 CLICK HERE Arctic Moon Full Discography In 320kbps CLICK HERE SoundLift Full Discography In 320kbps CLICK HERE

20th May 2012	#16
Arctic Donator Posts: 3,195 Thanked 4,499 Times	Well posting something trying to discourage people from doing what this whole site is based on, is kinda stupid dont you think. This site wouldnt be what it is today if it werent for the free downloads, so. I dont think many people here could give a shite about whether its illegal to download or not, they are here to grab it all for free and always will. If we stopped the downloads here, the place would dissappear within weeks, to just the few who frequent the discussion boards :) I refuse to pay for downloaded music, unless there is no other alternative. They are way overpriced. I used to buy CD singles for £1.99-£2.99 with 3-6 tracks each, now they want £1.50 per track in lossy format. Arctic's Signature See My CD Single & Vinyl Collection @ My Discogs: http://www.discogs.com/user/gamesgaryjp Check My YouTube Channel Here: http://www.youtube.com/user/ZombiEEEEEz?feature=mhum Uplifting Trance > Electro Trance Andy Blueman Full Discography In 320 CLICK HERE Arctic Moon Full Discography In 320kbps CLICK HERE SoundLift Full Discography In 320kbps CLICK HERE

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23rd April 2012	#2
electronomist Super Moderator Posts: 3,294 Thanked 433 Times	I buy all my music for DJing, so my conscience is clear. I used to download lots of albums illegally but I stopped and bought them eventually. Which record label was that quote from out of interest?

24th April 2012	#6
Tranceconomist Donator Posts: 938 Thanked 22 Times	I don't condone it in any way or form, or for any reason, but it's good to know that you purchase music later. I felt liberated once I deleted all my illegally downloaded media.

17th May 2012	#8
Tranceconomist Donator Posts: 938 Thanked 22 Times	RE: Global Asylum. No idea, sorry. It's possible that it was just a DJ mix that was uploaded. I'm not saying this is the case, but it's a possibility.

20th May 2012	#11
Weareonenation303 Melodic Dream Trance... Posts: 658 Thanked 926 Times	That's really funny! I'm a pirate from top to bottom as well, I was pretty stupid to believe that pirating my cds woul help the artist(s), producer(s) gain some fans. For me, it's partly and possibly more of a disadvantage, since like you say, the labels are loosing money. Arctic has a very good point: Why shout this here when everyone of us is a pirate. You can't deny that you are perfectly clean since You DID download illegaly in the past just like the majority of us. Does Poseidon - Serenade ring a bell? Oh yeah you ask The Ghost last year about this release. Why even bother talking about this at all? it's been discussed many, many times and all people have their points. I understand that some of your favorite Goa labels are dying due to the piracy plague. But we really don't have a 100% way of eradicating this "Plague" never will unless S.O.P.A decides to keep up with the "Censoring Bullshit" and decides to close the entire web. if that happens "Online piracy" will cease to exist. and many of the labels will be happy... but then comes some more serious disadvantages.

23rd May 2012	#20
LCBrown Super Moderator Posts: 1,879 Thanked 563 Times	The Avengers has become the most pirated movie ever. It's also the biggest box office hit ever. Photoshop is the most pirated image software. Pirating directly led to it becoming the industry standard. Pirating is not illegal everywhere. If you didn't download music, you could easily find somewhere to stream it. Youtube is great for that. You can even make playlists! There's not much money in the non-mainstream stuff, anyway. It's hard to expect producing goa to become your only job, because it's such a niche market. Also, remember that pirating does not equal a lost sale. By far, most people would simply not buy it and just not have it, whatever it is. I think piracy has had an overall positive impact on the markets. It's forcing companies to reevaluate their business plans. It allows artists to sell shit on their own, without using those companies (like TPB is doing). Regardless, it's around to stay. Adapt or vanish into oblivion. LCBrown's Signature Like me on FB! (If this thing will redirect properly.) http://www.facebook.com/pages/LC-Brown/209736662380599

23rd May 2012	#21
IRL303 Donator Posts: 778 Thanked 171 Times	TC, whats your stance on people who upload music to youtube? Technically its a form of sharing music...and its illegal in of itself as well as the rules of your YT contract. IRL303's Signature

25th May 2012	#28
Tranceconomist Donator Posts: 938 Thanked 22 Times	I apologize for my usage of scumbags in my OP. I have revised the OP to remove it and have also made the question nicer by removing the "dumb" part.

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